The High Flyer met up with two female managers within the EADS Divisions, Astrium and Eurocopter, to discuss the hot topic of diversity in the workplace. We discovered some truly interesting findings especially for – but not limited to – female candidates. Both interviewees are holding workshops at ILA and also explain why diversity is so crucial for EADS’ success.
Andrea Bugar is Head of Product Centre Airframes, meaning she is responsible for the development, production and supply chain management of Airframes for all Eurocopter products. She is based in Germany, but half of the time she works out of France. Her career at EADS started 15 years ago at Eurocopter. An electrical engineer by trade, she also completed an apprenticeship as an electrician, which back then was – and still is – quite unusual for a woman. During her university education she was one of four women in a group of 160 students. At first, that was a challenge in itself, but they quickly got used to it. And it was a good preparation for the professional world she got to know later, she told us.
Tina Büchner Da Costa is working in the Business Unit Space Transportation, on the Ariane 5 ME (midlife evolution) programme at Astrium. As a system engineer, she was responsible for the attitude control system of the launcher for four years and recently joined the programme management team, quite a thrilling environment, she told us. Tina has been working for EADS for eight years and she started with a six-month internship in Toulouse back in 1999. She was fortunate enough to stay in Kourou, French Guyana, for a four-month stint to become familiar with the launch site. In 2003, she finished her diploma thesis at Astrium in Bremen and completed her education at the International Space University in Adelaide, Australia. After that, she was a European Space Agency Trainee at ESTEC close to Amsterdam. Tina returned to Astrium in 2005 and has been working there ever since.
The High Flyer:
Both of you are holding workshops at ILA, what are the main messages you want your audience to go home with?
Tina Büchner Da Costa:
In my case, the topic primarily addresses gender diversity. The main message I would like to put across is that diversity in general is what we see around us, a part of nature. “It’s all in the mix” is my motto. The recipe to create the right mix is not so obvious, but once we can increase awareness of the importance of diversity, we will have better results and will have more creative ideas in our teams. Nature shows that we have a good mix of men and women, different age groups and diverse ethnic backgrounds at least in cosmopolitan cities around the globe, whereas at work, there tends to be an artificial homogeneity consisting of mostly men. This is unnatural and should be altered. This requires a different attitude of both decision makers in the company, as well as, women with career aspirations.
Andrea Bugar:
I will be talking about “Your platform for success”. The main messages will revolve around the great opportunities that EADS and its four divisions can offer candidates. We will be highlighting the exciting career options EADS has to offer and how diverse the backgrounds, career paths and experiences of our workforce can be.
The High Flyer:
Why did you choose to talk about diversity and how are you engaged in promoting it?
Andrea Bugar:
Diversity is a prerequisite for us because we need to attract more female talent. We have a need for engineers that we will not be able to satisfy with male candidates only. This is one reason why I am involved in the Eurocopter Women Network. It is a network for women, promoting gender diversity. We hold board meetings on a monthly basis and try to support female advancement into leadership positions. We also invite role models to hold speeches, and so on. With this procedure we aim to demonstrate female expertise and set role models for future female leadership candidates. .
Tina Büchner Da Costa:
That is quite true. The natural mix is not mirrored at work. We would, however, like to promote this natural diversity. It is not only more fruitful, but also a lot more fun, and simply leads to more productive work, a more pleasant working atmosphere and better results.
I am also an elective member of the Women in Aerospace (WIA) Organisation since two years now and I am on the board of directors. One of the WIA targets is to increase the number of women in leadership roles. We offer training for women, make female role models visible in presentations and offer a huge network for support. ‘Women in Aerospace’ is an independent organisation, with Astrium being the main sponsor, fully sharing WIA's mission to expand women's leadership opportunities and to increase their visibility in the aerospace sector.
The High Flyer:
What efforts have you made, or been involved with, to foster diversity competence and understanding?
Andrea Bugar:
One aspect is leading by example. I just came back after a five-year assignment in the US. The whole female-male discussion is far more advanced in the US than it is here. They are some 15 years ahead. Coming back from the US, I found it really interesting that equal opportunities is such a big issue in Germany.
Tina Büchner Da Costa:
I guess in Europe the acknowledgement of diversity as a source of richness is still in its infancy. We are just about beginning to take diversity seriously and force its implementation into our work life. One first step is to raise awareness and create visibility. In order to get closer to this goal, I organise so-called ‘lunch & learn’ sessions with around 60 people from the company to discuss gender diversity and its potential benefits. It is one first step to bring this subject to light. On top of this, an Astrium women network has just been created and I am leading the Bremen local group. The network aims at exchanging experiences and supporting the EADS vision to increase the share of women at all levels throughout the company.
The High Flyer:
What strategies have you used to address diversity challenges? What were the positive and negative aspects?
Tina Büchner Da Costa:
My main negative point would be reducing the topic of gender diversity to the discussion about a female quota. Men are quite afraid to lose opportunities concerning career goals due to such a quota. But this procedure is also unfavourable to women as they will not be recognised for their competence and skills, but will only be promoted because of a quota that needs to be fulfilled. As for the positive aspects, the motto must be: ‘Just do it’! Nike’s proven claim says it all. Get women who are willing and competent into leadership roles. A manager should promote women when they do a good job. Getting the chance to fulfil such a position will show that it is really beneficial for everyone. Create and support open-mindedness. This is a crucial point.
The High Flyer:
What advice would you give to women who are looking to compete in a male-dominated industry?
Andrea Bugar:
My most important advice is: don’t try to be male. Be authentic. Believe in your own strengths. Sometimes women are under the impression they need to overcompensate their being female by acting tougher and more male than their male colleagues. I once promoted a female to a supervisor function at the assembly line and we had to coach her because she was far too aggressive.
Tina Büchner Da Costa:
I have never regretted my career path even though I am surrounded by men. I am a real rocket scientist, and I am very passionate about it. If a woman knows what she wants, when she follows her heart and passion, she will be successful. Pursue whatever makes you happy and stop thinking of it as a world or environment dominated by men, otherwise you might get intimidated. Just do it!
The High Flyer:
How could one increase female interest in engineering (education- and career-wise)?
Andrea Bugar:
It has to start at school. For example, I organised a ‘Girls-Day’ at Eurocopter. It is an international project founded by the German Kompetenzzentrum Technik-Diversity-Chancengleichheit (the Competence Centre for Technology, Diversity and Equal Opportunities), promoting diversity and equal opportunities at a very early age. We were able to interest quite a few girls for the work we do. The workshops at ILA will also be an attempt to achieve that. Career-wise, it is important to enable a good work-life-balance.
Tina Büchner Da Costa:
My personal experience is that it starts very early with experimentation as a child. Parents can encourage that. Allow your children to experience almost anything. I built my interest because my father was an engineer and had the patience to answer all my questions like “how and why does this work...?” etc. It truly helped to build my fascination for technology. I like to show my fascination to others and make them understand why it is so rewarding to be a part of a successful engineering programme. Nowadays, education allows girls to choose any subject. Perhaps it would also be a good idea to further encourage female engineers or the like to visit schools and speak to children about their careers and experiences. Essentially, show by example.
The High Flyer:
What role does EADS play in developing women into leadership roles?
Tina Büchner Da Costa:
For me, EADS offers incredible flexibility. They have been a big enabler in my career. There is, for instance, a very good option of combining work and family. But that is not necessarily true for the combination of your career and your family. I guess we need to do much more. Aware that the knowledge of highly-skilled women is a valuable resource for our business, EADS aims at lifting the level of women recruited by 2020 to 25% and the number of female managers to 20%; for example via talent mentoring programmes, or initiatives with associations like Femtec*, Girls’ Day or Elles Bougent.
As both women agreed, a lot has been accomplished over the past few decades, but just as much remains to be done in order to guarantee diversity in the workplace and in society. What companies can do, and EADS is a prime example for this, is to foster a climate in which women’s choice of predominantly ‘male’ career paths is completely acceptable and increasingly common.
Some of the steps already taken by EADS include partnership with Femtec, a German organisation, which promotes female studying engineering and science. Alongside EADS and ten other global players and eight leading universities, Femtec organises lectures and company visits for female students. The organisation’s goal is to train its members and guide them in their professional life. You can take a look at what it means for EADS to be one of the partners of this network for young female engineers here.
EADS is also one of the main corporate partners of the French organisation, Elles Bougent. Similar to Femtec, the aim of the organisation is to inform and actively promote scientific and technical careers amongst young female students. Acting as godmothers to participants, more than 100 female engineers from EADS and its four divisions are involved in the programme, which organises events and site visits. EADS also held a dedicated event at the Paris Airshow and organises meetings with VIPs and influential leaders. Such programmes are a great way for future female engineers to strengthen their knowledge on our industry and find the support to answer all questions on their future professional careers.
Also, to further demonstrate their commitment to diversity, EADS and its four divisions just recently signed the CEO Charter of the UK Resource Centre (UKRC) at the Farnborough International Airshow. EADS sponsors again the 2012 Award for Women in Science and Engineering (WISE) .
And once in a job, juggling a career and family life still remains a challenge for many women and men. In order to further support employees, EADS has set-up kindergardens close to its major German sites. There are four kindergardens already up and running with the fifth planned for autumn, 2013.
All these efforts, including the diversity workshops at FIA and ILA, are a stepping stone for further promoting and encouraging diversity and equal opportunities in the workplace. Why not take a look at the video we put together for the Gender Diversity Day at the Farnborough International Airshow to find out more – click here.